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TECNOLOGIE
2 novembre 2008
Technologies:AROS: Going at a higher level of involvement
Well not one of my deepest posts today, more kind of a maintenance one...

Contributing to an open source project is - or at least should be - also a social moment: several people work together in their own free time to a common interest and a common goal. Things might be a bit more complicated when all the working people is scattered around several thousand miles between americas, europe and australia.

Let's tell the truth: if internet did not existed, probably not even open source communities might have been existed, or maybe not so much of it  and widespreaded as they are now.

The working and cooperation instruments are surely less evolved than the ones that can be found in a professional working environment, well not true: i used svn and vim in a recent task at work, and used eclipse in another; anyway, usualy many communication problems got solved through mailing list, instant messenging and IRC.

Despite IRC is considered "out" from new generations, is still a very useful and interesting instrument for group chat and talking.

i mention IRC because in the latest two weeks had occasion to find the "IRCous" skills of pidgin, my default messenger and miranda, the backup one; therefore i have been able to connect quite regularly in the official AROS channel; there "i seen things you humans cannot imagine", if i want to be geeky and cite Blade Runner...:)

It is quite exciting to talk directly with someof the most important AROS system and software developers such as Michal Schulz, Maag^da, Stanislaw Szymczyk and the others.

See Maag^da introduce its new Autodoc for AROS, having Szymczyk and Schulz talk "live" about the latest developments in their own bounties (congratulations, Stanislaw: the bounty is almost done!) and exchange with them ideas and opinions - despite is not a new thing anymore and despite i haven't been an avid IRC user but just a casual user before - is a step forward from being a simple forum lurker and an avid news reader: it makes you "be there" and get some job done actively.

I just downloaded LUA for windows and started to give a first look in SDLBasic, knowing the latter attempts of Mazze in porting it under AROS (with no avail at the moment). I also collected some ideas for some script applications i would like to do, not world changing utilities but still something...

[edit: i gave a first look at the zulu documentation: the lua/mui interaction look quite basic and low level, i sincerely hope to understand something on it; by the way, considered that i have to start from scratch, hope that in the next future will get i better...]

I am also trying to understand how to build some window themes, once i will find the way to make my virtual aros-box communicate with the network.



TECNOLOGIE
23 settembre 2008
Diary: Technologies: AROS: Documentation Documentation Documentation brings Developers Developers Developers!!!
Hoping Ballmer did not patented its citation :P

Well, cause of my job duties this is not at all a new topic, but think is good to bounce it here. The Amiga Os 4.1 on Sam good new is a week old and probably, when it will be possible, will treat it here too but for now let's do business as usual.

One of the latest topic comments in my last article in the italian forum (translated here btw) was from Tadsince1995 and brought me to forward it and enrich it in Aros-exec:

(translated from italian:)
So, after Robert Norris, even Michael is going. The biggest problem is not only that they will not work anymore in AROS, but will be a huge disgrace the fact that so far those are the most prepared developers, therefore their own knowledge luggage, shared by very few little people, will be lost.
I (tadsince1995) always supported a "Documentation bounty" because there is a GRAVE lack of documentation for the low level part of AROS. Nothing about the USB stack, almost nothing on how to write drivers, etc. How an operating system can proceed if newcomming coder have no ideas in how and where to begin with?

Especially the fact that, obviously, people have other committments and there might be no time to do reverse engineering on the code, while having some good tutorial might save them lot of time.


And here is my enrichment:

I support fully the point of view of Tad: this is my personal request for Michael, for Robert, if he is still around, and for all low level developers: do not only leave the source available: do not assume people to have same skills as you: PLEASE DOCUMENT LOW LEVEL AROS, for the sake of future development following your contribution:

Amiga/AROS scene is too little to expect people to find enough documentation (outdated at most), and Amiga/AROS internals are too different from others to expect the inner workings to be understood easily.

Therefore the usual Open Source method to read sources in this case cannot apply fully.

[there was a withdrawn part to avoid discussions]

To the people still at work:

you know this project needs developers and, IMHO, if not a schedule -by philosophy-, at least it needs a post-it in the border of the screen where to step the fundamentals, in short: "a plan".

Forget one moment about ports: i think the system needs to be finished and polished. I have ShinkurO and others complaining sbout buggy MUI classes, myself in the verge to do a review of AROS for a magazine being a bit frustrated from the lack of visual feedback from the system as cursors or messages; LUA working but zulu not fuilly implemented in case somebody needs to write new applications, not only games (thanks mazze for your efforts in trying to build SDLbasic).

[end withdrawn part]

I feel emotionally involved with this project and , as Paolone, i think it has more potential than even eople here can expect. So, let's try to work in a synergistyic (collaborative) way and pave the street for newcomers as much as possible.


That is, my personal message at the community; i really wish AROS not to sink, i already said in past and will continue to say it in the future.

My personal contributions are actually in helping ShinkurO together with Tadsince1995 in translating its Programming guide for Amiga Oses and in writing a review of AROS for a magazine, even if both activities are going on slowly in the free time due to the aforementioned job duties.
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